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How to defeat certain defense strategies?

Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2017 5:01 pm
by Zerthimon
Hello. Id like us to discuss some strategies:
At the moment im stucked with L1 Scanner defended with 3 Turrets. Is there a way to defeat this? (not by bypassing it with stealth+portal)
I mean, this is game over for brute force attack, right?

Feel free to add some other tactics for other defences too

Re: How to defeat certain defense strategies?

Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2017 1:19 am
by TheLurkingRage
You just need to put down an ICE Wall and place some Shurikens to get through. If the ICE Wall breaks too fast, then you'll need to place down a Protector after you install an ICE Wall or more to secure the node and then use Shurikens to bring down the node. Alternatively you can use Shockers to disable the nodes and use all three slots for Shurikens, but that's a bit more advanced and unnecessary until much later in the game.

Re: How to defeat certain defense strategies?

Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2017 12:39 pm
by Zerthimon
With L1 scanner my double ice wall melt before i can mount protector. I usually use ice wall+protector for heavily defended nodes. So that is a no go

Re: How to defeat certain defense strategies?

Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2017 4:31 pm
by TheLurkingRage
You're going to have to level up your ICE Wall or use more to install the Protector. If the Protector isn't even half way installed and the first ICE Wall breaks, you're going to need more than 2.

Re: How to defeat certain defense strategies?

Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2017 7:39 am
by Gravemind
Or you can consider using a single level 3 shocker and a protector. A level 3 shocker will guarantee that you install your protector irrespective of your opponents defence. But use this only if three ice walls don't work. Because it takes a lot of time to compile, and also uses six disk space.
Personally, I like a black ice with two turrets more than three turrets. And all the three protected by guardians.

Re: How to defeat certain defense strategies?

Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2017 9:23 am
by TheLurkingRage
Gravemind wrote:Or you can consider using a single level 3 shocker and a protector. A level 3 shocker will guarantee that you install your protector irrespective of your opponents defence. But use this only if three ice walls don't work. Because it takes a lot of time to compile, and also uses six disk space.
Personally, I like a black ice with two turrets more than three turrets. And all the three protected by guardians.
In most cases you shouldn't be planting down a Protector after using a Shocker. It's a waste of compile time to do that, it's better to use ICE Walls to install Protectors.

Re: How to defeat certain defense strategies?

Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2017 3:14 pm
by Hell_Diguner
To elaborate upon that, we know Ice Wall's effective health per bcoin (compile cost) scales quite poorly compared to Protectors and Shockers as all three programs are upgraded. Thus, in terms of minmaxing, keeping Walls at a low level is a good idea. Yopee figured out you can install a protector using only 3 ice walls (same library space, but faster compile time time than Shockers) of a certain, rather low level against lvl 21 antivirus. I forget exactly what level - it was real low, like lvl 3 or 4 Walls.

Late-game, you need both upgraded shockers and upgraded protectors to efficiently deal with chokes and stalls. You can do it inefficiently, of course, but that hurts your compile time, which is a big deal by that point in the game. So when both your Protector and Shocker are upgraded and expensive, being able to use 3 inexpensive, fast-to-compile Ice Walls to install a Prot is better than using a Shocker.

Re: How to defeat certain defense strategies?

Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2017 4:32 pm
by Gravemind
Yeah, and that's why I told to use shocker only if three ice walls don't work. That's quite rare though.

Re: How to defeat certain defense strategies?

Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 1:15 pm
by Darkness
Zerthimon wrote:Hello. Id like us to discuss some strategies:
At the moment im stucked with L1 Scanner defended with 3 Turrets. Is there a way to defeat this? (not by bypassing it with stealth+portal)
I mean, this is game over for brute force attack, right?

Feel free to add some other tactics for other defences too
Shockers only effective if it's more than 4 seconds. Just keep provide walls to the Scanner 1 until the Protector is finished. It's so important that your Protector lv should be high enough to absorb all the damage from Turrets and the anti-virus.

Method 1: (for 40 lv+)
Wall --> 1 Shocker (7 lv would be better), put Protector , Delete wall, put beams.

Method 2:
Keep putting walls, until Protector is finished. (Well, you probably will know how many Walls are needed for the Protector to operate)

Also, putting a Blaster with Protector is efficient to stop one side of the damage output.