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Higher Leveled Hackers Farming Me

Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2016 2:08 pm
by DiCasualHacker
Hello everyone,

I'm not a new player to this game, i loved the concept about the game when i first saw it and i've been playing it for some time now. I'm lvl 28 with my core lvl at 7, turret-black ice lvl 6, code gate lvl 6, sentry lvl 8, guardian lvl 3, so i'm at mid-game-ish (i think). I spent a lot of time at the forum reading about defense-hacking strategies, network layouts, stealth manuals and so on. I like to think that i know what i'm doing. I want to keep playing and get better.

But i'm really getting frustrated. Here's why.
So when you wake up, you check your game and a bunch of guys hacked you right? No big deal, it's the nature of the game. You lost a couple hundred thousand dollars. Still no big deal.

But then you hit replay. You see some guys have beam cannons at lvl 10. I have never seen 20.000 bitcoins in my life, cant even upgrade my beam cannon to lvl 6, but these guys spend 162.000 bitcoins (difference between lvl 5-10) to upgrade their cannons and then they come attack you. Just 30 beam cannons and 10 ice walls. Forget network layouts, forget choke points, defense strategies. What can my lvl 6 code gate do?? I dont think it's fair that these guys can target me at all. I'm like a lvl 1 slime and these guys are farming xp and money on me.

Then you hit retrace. And you count 6 spikes on that sentry. golden turrets with white wings, 3 code gates etc. Wow, aren't they a bit over my level? I even tried hacking back some of them, but i knew i was going to lose which was the case.
All you can do is to pray that guy won't find you again. They can collect 1/3 of your resources, so anythime you hit 600000 dollar - 12000 bitcoin mark, you become pray to them. It's already hard enough to defend against stealth attacks, but i can't even collect money to upgrade my scanner.

Now i have to go find myself a target at lvl 25-30, calculate how many ice walls-protectors-battering rams-blasters i need, collect 70000-80000 dolar tops (and some bitcoins which most of the time does NOT cover the program cost), do this 6-7 times and then wake up to a guy casually getting through my network collecting my money with lvl 9-10 beams. It's getting increasingly difficult to upgrade anything.

If i was at mid-end game, i would understand the game getting harder. But it's a bit early to hit this problem at my level.
Don't think i'm doing something wrong but all advice are welcome. I'm seriously thinking it's a design issue though.

Re: Higher Leveled Hackers Farming Me

Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2016 4:46 pm
by Crash0verride
Ya... It sucks!
I even tried just keeping the game open so I couldn't get hacked while collecting the last bit of cash needed to upgrade my core and I look away for a few minutes and I get a message saying my connection was hijacked.

8 Minutes later and sign back in and I lost 1/3 of my cash AGAIN!

Re: Higher Leveled Hackers Farming Me

Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2016 9:08 pm
by MiloDiazzo
DiCasualHacker wrote:Hello everyone,

I'm not a new player to this game, i loved the concept about the game when i first saw it and i've been playing it for some time now. I'm lvl 28 with my core lvl at 7, turret-black ice lvl 6, code gate lvl 6, sentry lvl 8, guardian lvl 3, so i'm at mid-game-ish (i think). I spent a lot of time at the forum reading about defense-hacking strategies, network layouts, stealth manuals and so on. I like to think that i know what i'm doing. I want to keep playing and get better.

But i'm really getting frustrated. Here's why.
So when you wake up, you check your game and a bunch of guys hacked you right? No big deal, it's the nature of the game. You lost a couple hundred thousand dollars. Still no big deal.

But then you hit replay. You see some guys have beam cannons at lvl 10. I have never seen 20.000 bitcoins in my life, cant even upgrade my beam cannon to lvl 6, but these guys spend 162.000 bitcoins (difference between lvl 5-10) to upgrade their cannons and then they come attack you. Just 30 beam cannons and 10 ice walls. Forget network layouts, forget choke points, defense strategies. What can my lvl 6 code gate do?? I dont think it's fair that these guys can target me at all. I'm like a lvl 1 slime and these guys are farming xp and money on me.

Then you hit retrace. And you count 6 spikes on that sentry. golden turrets with white wings, 3 code gates etc. Wow, aren't they a bit over my level? I even tried hacking back some of them, but i knew i was going to lose which was the case.
All you can do is to pray that guy won't find you again. They can collect 1/3 of your resources, so anythime you hit 600000 dollar - 12000 bitcoin mark, you become pray to them. It's already hard enough to defend against stealth attacks, but i can't even collect money to upgrade my scanner.

Now i have to go find myself a target at lvl 25-30, calculate how many ice walls-protectors-battering rams-blasters i need, collect 70000-80000 dolar tops (and some bitcoins which most of the time does NOT cover the program cost), do this 6-7 times and then wake up to a guy casually getting through my network collecting my money with lvl 9-10 beams. It's getting increasingly difficult to upgrade anything.

If i was at mid-end game, i would understand the game getting harder. But it's a bit early to hit this problem at my level.
Don't think i'm doing something wrong but all advice are welcome. I'm seriously thinking it's a design issue though.


Ok guys I understand the frustration you all would be having, but it's just how a game works.

You go offline while having bucketloads of loot, expect to get hacked. If it wasn't a high level dude, it would've been someone else.
If you want peace of mind, 9SEC is your friend. It's very easy to grind 100 creds.

You might want to start reading the wiki to up your game, so that you can progress faster.


And hey, if you're getting hacked too often, just change your rep.

Re: Higher Leveled Hackers Farming Me

Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2016 11:01 pm
by SniperK
My suggestion is always the same:
Big fish hunter small fish small fish hunt smaller fish. Just to survive
It works in real world and in game. Unfair for small fish sometimes but you wanna grow you cant stay the same while everyone else gets stronger. In a world where everyone feeds on each other you dont eat you die. And if you cant eat big fish hunt down small one mans gotta eat 8-)

Re: Higher Leveled Hackers Farming Me

Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2016 8:06 am
by DiCasualHacker
SniperK wrote:My suggestion is always the same:
Big fish hunter small fish small fish hunt smaller fish. Just to survive
It works in real world and in game. Unfair for small fish sometimes but you wanna grow you cant stay the same while everyone else gets stronger. In a world where everyone feeds on each other you dont eat you die. And if you cant eat big fish hunt down small one mans gotta eat 8-)


Well it's a game where the real goal is to have fun. I don't think you can attract many new players or keep your low level players by simulating the harsh conditions of real life (I deal with that sh*t everyday already). I don't want to play a game that says: "Sorry dude, i know you're lvl 25 but big guys gotta eat too. You can spent 1 month trying to get lvl 26 while "the big fish" will get farther and farther ahead"

Re: Higher Leveled Hackers Farming Me

Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2016 9:05 am
by SniperK
DiCasualHacker wrote:
SniperK wrote:My suggestion is always the same:
Big fish hunter small fish small fish hunt smaller fish. Just to survive
It works in real world and in game. Unfair for small fish sometimes but you wanna grow you cant stay the same while everyone else gets stronger. In a world where everyone feeds on each other you dont eat you die. And if you cant eat big fish hunt down small one mans gotta eat 8-)


Well it's a game where the real goal is to have fun. I don't think you can attract many new players or keep your low level players by simulating the harsh conditions of real life (I deal with that sh*t everyday already). I don't want to play a game that says: "Sorry dude, i know you're lvl 25 but big guys gotta eat too. You can spent 1 month trying to get lvl 26 while "the big fish" will get farther and farther ahead"



First of all, in terms of this game, low level is much more fun than high level, believe me.

Second, you think youre the only one whos facing these harsh problems? Weve all been through there man come on. We can over come this, so can you! (if you want to) After all were playing the same game. Arent we.

Thirdly, yes youre right the ultimate goal of playing games is to have fun.
And its absolutely normal if some find one game entertaining while others dont. (I personally find pokemon go quite average)
Fact is every game has its "annoying part" you always have to work hard for some achievements there is NO one game that you can simply play for 30 mins and youre the king of the world.
Just because games are supposed to be fun doesnt mean that you dont have to work for it man. Au contraire if you make achievements quite easily without working for it, that is NO FUN :)
(Consider this, companies gotta make money)
And if you think its boring simply find other games that fit your style man.

Re: Higher Leveled Hackers Farming Me

Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2016 9:52 am
by kuzu
I think there should be loot filter depend on core level gap of 2 players. If you attack lower level, loot able amount of stock is reduced. If you attack higher level, it is increased.
Attack lower levels is easy and small risk of counter attack. So it should have less efficient than challenging harder opponent.

Re: Higher Leveled Hackers Farming Me

Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2016 11:47 am
by Silken
kuzu wrote:I think there should be loot filter depend on core level gap of 2 players. If you attack lower level, loot able amount of stock is reduced. If you attack higher level, it is increased.
Attack lower levels is easy and small risk of counter attack. So it should have less efficient than challenging harder opponent.


This is the single biggest issue with the game. Overall there is no balancing, due to no core restrictions. People can min/max on one node or program. Add to this the fact that cores are not included in the search algorithm or any loot percentage restriction on core and you have an attackers paradise. Not to mention the lack of any shielding protecting people who wish to gather resources over time.

Do I like this, actually yeah I love it. Got hit by level 20 beams yesterday and just laughed. Funniest thing I've seen as my base got ripped apart.

But most people hate it. Which is why so many of the inactive accounts are level 20-30. As soon as it gets tough, people leave the game.

In the long run I think it will be changed, because it's actually costing the developers money. People only need to spend a minimum amount of real cash to be OP. Whereas, normally in these games you have to spend a boat load of cash and continuously keep spending.

No other building over time game I know allows it. Card games do. You can buy a OP card, but then they counter this by shortly bringing out a counter card, so everyone buys that.

This game is vicious. Nothing is safe. Was it meant to be so cruel. Probably not. Is it enjoyable, to me yes, to the masses. Sadly no.

Re: Higher Leveled Hackers Farming Me

Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2016 4:46 pm
by Jaystar
Sorry dude, thats the way of the game and way of life.
I have swam through the same journey as you described above. I know the feeling of a bigger fish eating me. But over time, I planned smartly and I min/max certain nodes and programs **COUGH BEAMS AND SENTRY COUGH** and now people can't even touch me.
However, I thought I was invincible, until this guy came in with lvl 21 beams and lvl 17 icewalls.
There you go, I was a small fish and he ate me. The amount of money I lost was like 3.4 Million and 40k bitcoins.

But this is the way of life. With the recent changes to the search algo, the higher players will not find you anymore, There is a limit of -6 or -7 of your current level, therefore you are safer than before.

Re: Higher Leveled Hackers Farming Me

Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2016 9:21 pm
by Sibernetika
It is now way better than it was before, yes I'm annoyed with the kraken that forces me to put my core right at the door step, and having a min/maxer cheating his way through the level system to destroy people on the same level is also annoying but I'm no longer getting pulverized by people 12 levels higher than me that have tech that they are supposed to have at that level that I can only dream of scratching.. But since the tweak only people that are in my level of tech (unless they are min/maxing or on the list that can take a stab at me